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		<title>Comment on Reflecting on NECC 2008 by Larry Ferlazzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Ferlazzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alice,

I appreciated your thoughts, and look forward to hearing more about them when you get back here to Sacramento (which is finally free of smoke in the air!

Larry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alice,</p>
<p>I appreciated your thoughts, and look forward to hearing more about them when you get back here to Sacramento (which is finally free of smoke in the air!</p>
<p>Larry</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reflecting on NECC 2008 by Mathew</title>
		<link>http://inpractice.edublogs.org/2008/07/02/87/#comment-441</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concur with Kevin.  I appreciate your reflection for its honesty and for representin' those of us in the trenches.  

You've said a lot so I'll just echo the first part of your post...Many tech teachers I see in my district, for example, do not have down their content knowledge or teaching pedagogy down.  You're right that we need to be honing our general teaching skills as well as tech savviness.  

I also agree that although I find a lot of the blogging theorists interesting they're not writing in a place where the average teacher lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur with Kevin.  I appreciate your reflection for its honesty and for representin&#8217; those of us in the trenches.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve said a lot so I&#8217;ll just echo the first part of your post&#8230;Many tech teachers I see in my district, for example, do not have down their content knowledge or teaching pedagogy down.  You&#8217;re right that we need to be honing our general teaching skills as well as tech savviness.  </p>
<p>I also agree that although I find a lot of the blogging theorists interesting they&#8217;re not writing in a place where the average teacher lives.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reflecting on NECC 2008 by dogtrax</title>
		<link>http://inpractice.edublogs.org/2008/07/02/87/#comment-440</link>
		<dc:creator>dogtrax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the better reflections I have come across about the conference (afar, as I am) and I appreciate all of the points you make here. (Gail D is the other blogger whose reflections have been on my reading list).
I love the comment that you are an ambassador for your kids and that this is a place to gather tools and ideas. And, I like that you admit that your reflection process is still ongoing and still settling in.
Your honesty and evaluation is helpful to those of us who read this blog and others.
Thanks
Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the better reflections I have come across about the conference (afar, as I am) and I appreciate all of the points you make here. (Gail D is the other blogger whose reflections have been on my reading list).<br />
I love the comment that you are an ambassador for your kids and that this is a place to gather tools and ideas. And, I like that you admit that your reflection process is still ongoing and still settling in.<br />
Your honesty and evaluation is helpful to those of us who read this blog and others.<br />
Thanks<br />
Kevin</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who is responsible? by Bill Ferriter</title>
		<link>http://inpractice.edublogs.org/2008/06/25/who-is-responsible/#comment-439</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Ferriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrea wrote:
@BonMar It sounds like you are assuming that if teachers try to draw the line and conserve their energies they are not being decent human beings. I think, at least in my experience, it is more a matter of realizing that time is not unlimited. Many of us have families of our own that are deserving of our time.


What makes this question even more interesting is the idea that we just might be harming ourselves by going above and beyond all the time!

I sometimes wonder if the extra effort that I put in at my school and for my students beyond my contract and long into the evening for no additional compensation is simply being taken for granted by my administrators, by law makers, by the community.  

People have just grown to expect that I'll do whatever it takes to make my kids successful. 

And while I'm passionate about that work---and committed to helping kids regardless of the personal costs---I worry that I'm making it easy for "the powers at be" to avoid giving me a raise!  

Why pay me more for work that I'm already doing for free?

What's more, I worry that I raise the bar to ridiculous levels for other teachers.  You see, I haven't been lucky enough to be a parent yet, so I've got more extra time on my hands than the average teacher. 

I invest that time into reading and writing about my profession and developing cutting edge instructional experiences for my kids.  I also spend more on my classroom than most teachers that I know.  If we need a new digital tool, I'll buy it.  If we need new books for the bookshelf, I'll buy it.  

And while I earn plenty of celebration for that work, other teachers are criticized because they're not more like me.  "If Mr. Ferriter can do all those wonderful things with his kids, why can't you?"  they'll ask.  

So the question rumbling through my mind is do Uber-Teachers who go far beyond the normal expectations for educators do more harm or more good for our profession?

If we drew a clear line in the sand and refused to cross it, would we be able to get others to value the work that we've always done for free?

Sure---it would run contrary to all that we are as teachers to turn away from meaningful work that would be left undone without us.....but if we just keep doing this work without demanding fair compensation, will our salaries ever rise to levels comparable to other professionals?

You've got me thinking today...
Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea wrote:<br />
@BonMar It sounds like you are assuming that if teachers try to draw the line and conserve their energies they are not being decent human beings. I think, at least in my experience, it is more a matter of realizing that time is not unlimited. Many of us have families of our own that are deserving of our time.</p>
<p>What makes this question even more interesting is the idea that we just might be harming ourselves by going above and beyond all the time!</p>
<p>I sometimes wonder if the extra effort that I put in at my school and for my students beyond my contract and long into the evening for no additional compensation is simply being taken for granted by my administrators, by law makers, by the community.  </p>
<p>People have just grown to expect that I&#8217;ll do whatever it takes to make my kids successful. </p>
<p>And while I&#8217;m passionate about that work&#8212;and committed to helping kids regardless of the personal costs&#8212;I worry that I&#8217;m making it easy for &#8220;the powers at be&#8221; to avoid giving me a raise!  </p>
<p>Why pay me more for work that I&#8217;m already doing for free?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s more, I worry that I raise the bar to ridiculous levels for other teachers.  You see, I haven&#8217;t been lucky enough to be a parent yet, so I&#8217;ve got more extra time on my hands than the average teacher. </p>
<p>I invest that time into reading and writing about my profession and developing cutting edge instructional experiences for my kids.  I also spend more on my classroom than most teachers that I know.  If we need a new digital tool, I&#8217;ll buy it.  If we need new books for the bookshelf, I&#8217;ll buy it.  </p>
<p>And while I earn plenty of celebration for that work, other teachers are criticized because they&#8217;re not more like me.  &#8220;If Mr. Ferriter can do all those wonderful things with his kids, why can&#8217;t you?&#8221;  they&#8217;ll ask.  </p>
<p>So the question rumbling through my mind is do Uber-Teachers who go far beyond the normal expectations for educators do more harm or more good for our profession?</p>
<p>If we drew a clear line in the sand and refused to cross it, would we be able to get others to value the work that we&#8217;ve always done for free?</p>
<p>Sure&#8212;it would run contrary to all that we are as teachers to turn away from meaningful work that would be left undone without us&#8230;..but if we just keep doing this work without demanding fair compensation, will our salaries ever rise to levels comparable to other professionals?</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got me thinking today&#8230;<br />
Bill</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who is responsible? by Andrea H.</title>
		<link>http://inpractice.edublogs.org/2008/06/25/who-is-responsible/#comment-438</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BonMar It sounds like you are assuming that if teachers try to draw the line and conserve their energies they are not being decent human beings. I think, at least in my experience, it is more a matter of realizing that time is not unlimited. Many of us have families of our own that are deserving of our time. 

Teaching is unique among professions. We do become attached to our students and their families. We should and must give of ourselves, and, for most of us, the time, money and energy spent on our students goes way beyond what we are paid for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BonMar It sounds like you are assuming that if teachers try to draw the line and conserve their energies they are not being decent human beings. I think, at least in my experience, it is more a matter of realizing that time is not unlimited. Many of us have families of our own that are deserving of our time. </p>
<p>Teaching is unique among professions. We do become attached to our students and their families. We should and must give of ourselves, and, for most of us, the time, money and energy spent on our students goes way beyond what we are paid for.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who is responsible? by BonMar</title>
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		<dc:creator>BonMar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever happened to being a decent human being and going the extra mile with everyone we come in contact with. Unfortunately we have to be careful about legal aspects, but I say the heck with that. Students that I homebound teach I get to know them and their families on a personal level. I will gladly give them money, medicine, and most importantly my time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever happened to being a decent human being and going the extra mile with everyone we come in contact with. Unfortunately we have to be careful about legal aspects, but I say the heck with that. Students that I homebound teach I get to know them and their families on a personal level. I will gladly give them money, medicine, and most importantly my time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who is responsible? by shorerunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>shorerunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole "where do we draw the line" question is very difficult for teachers to address because a lot of times it is hard to seperate yourself from your students because you develop a caring relationship for them. You want them to succeed and do well just like a parent would. You try to teach them but sometimes you come up against problems such as unsupportive parents or things like low-income/poverty. When I first began teaching I would take all of these problems on as my own. But my best piece of advice to give is that you can only do what you can do within the 8am-4pm or whatever timeframe you have with your kids. Do not take everything personally because you may see somethings that are wrong and you have to do what you can as a teacher, but don't let it break you .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole &#8220;where do we draw the line&#8221; question is very difficult for teachers to address because a lot of times it is hard to seperate yourself from your students because you develop a caring relationship for them. You want them to succeed and do well just like a parent would. You try to teach them but sometimes you come up against problems such as unsupportive parents or things like low-income/poverty. When I first began teaching I would take all of these problems on as my own. But my best piece of advice to give is that you can only do what you can do within the 8am-4pm or whatever timeframe you have with your kids. Do not take everything personally because you may see somethings that are wrong and you have to do what you can as a teacher, but don&#8217;t let it break you .</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who is responsible? by Andrea H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've thought about this a lot over the years. Schools are an important part of the community, and, as such, they could  and, I think, should be used to provide more than just education. However, I don't think that all of those things should fall on the shoulders of the teachers. I do think that teachers can play a role in providing what students need, however, it can not be expected of us as part of our job. Schools need to employ various people who can help students in different ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve thought about this a lot over the years. Schools are an important part of the community, and, as such, they could  and, I think, should be used to provide more than just education. However, I don&#8217;t think that all of those things should fall on the shoulders of the teachers. I do think that teachers can play a role in providing what students need, however, it can not be expected of us as part of our job. Schools need to employ various people who can help students in different ways.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations? by Jen</title>
		<link>http://inpractice.edublogs.org/2008/05/11/soft-bigotry-of-low-expectations/#comment-432</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lisa One of the things I'm most looking forward to about teaching first grade is the lack of labels. There will be kids with special education or ESOL or other labels, but they will be fewer than I've had in 4th and 5th grades. I'm excited to teach them all, as they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lisa One of the things I&#8217;m most looking forward to about teaching first grade is the lack of labels. There will be kids with special education or ESOL or other labels, but they will be fewer than I&#8217;ve had in 4th and 5th grades. I&#8217;m excited to teach them all, as they are.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What really works? by What works, II &#124; In Practice</title>
		<link>http://inpractice.edublogs.org/2008/06/15/what-really-works/#comment-430</link>
		<dc:creator>What works, II &#124; In Practice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Alex, thank you very much for comment, you bring up some excellent points. [...]</description>
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